Fri Apr 7 19:18:18 EDT 2000
from: Smart Marraiges
I think most of Weiner-Davis's message in "When Nagging Doesn't Work"
makes sense for parent-child relationships too, don't you?
>I'm on the Goveror's side in the Arizona case, I'm afraid. What right has
>tell people they should be married. Coercion!!!!
The legislation isn't about telling anyone they SHOULD be married. It's
about providing the tools people need in case they decide to try
marriage. Which 85-90% of us still do. And/or
to use the skills to have the most satisfying cohabiting relationship one
The skills & courses that are being proposed in this legislation work for
kind of relationship - married or not. -diane
And lots of comments on the Kathleen Parker piece on women choosing to
be single mothers:
<< I know three women who chose to become single mothers this past year
would disagree with Parker's assessment. They were older, with loudly
clicking biological clocks, and they say the would have loved to have
married but it's the men who aren't willing to commit. These women have
contempt for marriage - but faced with the decision to go childless or
for marriage - decided to go the unwed route. They say "the men can
forever, we can't."
Comments?? - diane >>
My question for these women would be, "What are you going to say to your
children when they ask you why they don't have a father? That no man
you enough to be a full-time father to you?" The biological urge to
procreate is strong, yes, but we have to consider the bigger picture in
families; to balance out our urges with the needs of our children
here or only yearned for). I think that I would also have encouraged
women to think about adoption of a child who already is lacking a mother
father, to provide at least one parent for someone who had none to begin
with. Whose need are they more concerned with fulfilling, their own ("I
need a baby", making the baby an object) or a child's ("This child needs
making themselves the answer to someone else's need)? Which is the
calling, to be served, or to serve? To get needs met or to meet needs?
Martha Flemming, Therapist, New Source Counseling Centers, Ohio
In regard to Ms. Parker's column: One could say that half of the
babies born in the U.S. in 1998 were born under circumstances where a man
fathered a child with no sense of caring for that child before he engaged
intercourse. Ms. Parker's column makes some good points but comes out
sounding like a diatribe against unwed mothers. What about the Selfish,
Oafish, Boys who fathered the child? The idea that all single mothers
deliberately chose motherhood is ludicrous. It took a man and a woman to
behave selfishly and irresponsibly. What would be more accurate would be
for Ms. Parker to accuse single mom's of choosing to let their baby come
Henry L. Renn, M.Div., MFT
Kathleen Parker is the best! I love her columns. And interestingly while
reading your forwards on this topic I found myself thinking, "Why are men
giving these women babies?" And then I saw the hyperlink to dadi.com
reinforced my belief. But can we men really abstain? Perhaps if we had a
corresponding tenfold increase in the prostitution industry!?(G).
><< When the average marriage begins to pale, and the
> parents contemplate divorce, the mother is welcomed by
> the law with an array of incentives to go ahead with
> it. These incentives include custody of the children,
> child support, alimony, and a significant share of her
> husband's property, even when the breakdown of the
> marriage is her fault. Conversely, a father can expect
> to come out of divorce with corresponding losses of
> children, income, and property--and with the full
> power of the State marshaled against him to enforce
> his compliance. As divorce on these terms has become
> commonplace, men find that marriage has become
> emotionally and financially too risky. With the
> consequent breakdown of marriage as a stable
> institution--the odds of divorce are about
> 50%--children lose the protection and security that
> only an intact family can provide, and they react with
> aggressive and rebellious behavior. >>
>This sounds like a conservative's rationale for returning women to the
>maritally-chained existence they had to endure during the era when women had
>I support your site, but I think you should give more thought to the
>ramifications of some ideas you extol.
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