[Intelforum] Zimmermann Telegram - "Mister H"
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Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:00:04 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
From: John Young <jya at pipeline.com>
To: <intelforum at lists101.his.com>
Subject: Re: Zimmermann Telegram - "Mister H"
The possibility of the Zimmermann Telegram being forged is most
intriguing, and any
information, or informed speculation, on this would be most welcome.
Forgery is a well-estalished means and method of intelligence,
foreign policy and
warfare. Presumably the British were leaders in that as with so many
dirty tricks. Not to overlook the masterworks of the Russians and
French and Germans
and Italians -- the latter perhaps implicated in the Niger yellowcake
the Iraqi imbroglio.
Master forgers customarily sit alongside disinformation officers and
personnel and cryptological dissimulators.
Thinnest of lines separate the real from the fake, indeed, the two
are usually entwined for
verisimilude of double-cross, trieble deception, quadruple illusion.
News media a handy tool
for distribution, though not as effective as academia and, best,
inner circles, ga-ga with lust for knowing what only the few ardently
must believe they
alone hold privilegedly. To be sure, this allure beguiles most those
aspiring to protect
the populace from similar aspirants with a slightly differing
rhetoric, nay, forgery.
Why is it that crude forgeries abound except to make the professional
product more credible.
From: JBugler at aol.com
Sent: Oct 27, 2005 1:45 PM
To: intelforum at his.com
Subject: Re: [Intelforum] Zimmermann Telegram - "Mister H"
On the matter of the "Zimmermann Telegram"
A question from someone who was not there at the time.
Has there ever been any hint of forgery concerning this infamous signal.
I ask the question because the Allies would do anything it would seem to me
to get us into that war.
Oil was discovered in the Ottoman Empire and the Germans were building the
"Berlin to Baghdad Railroad."
It would seem to this writer at least--possible when one considers the
Colin Simpsons " Lusitania" and/or "The Intimate Papers of Colonel House"
redacted by Charles Seymour [Sterling Professor of History, Yale
published by Houghton Mifflin company in 1926.
On page 432 of Volume One we read: House and Grey drove out to Kew. "We spoke
of the probability of an ocean liner being sunk" recorded House.
This mind you is at approximately 11 am on the fateful day--May 7, 1915,--on
which the Lusitania was sunk.
An hour later [app 1200 noon] House was with King George in Buckingham
'We fell to talking stangely enough,' the Colonel wrote 'of the probability
of Germany sinking a trans Atlantic liner'
The King he wrote said "Suppose they should sink the Lusitania with American
passengers on board....'
This question was put to House by the King of England on May 7, 1915, at app.
That afternoon at app. 1415 GMT as the Lusitania took a course to Queenstown,
Kapitan Leutnant Schwieger of U-20 launches a type G torpedo with a 3 m depth
adjustment at an est speed 22 knots. His torpedo it seems hit a cargo hold
which carried contraband munitions. This leads to a terrible explosion which
caused to the ship to sink in less than eighteen minutes with great loss of
Two hours earlier Colonel House answered the King's question
"If this were done a flame of indignation would sweep across America which in
itself probably carry us into the war."
They sat down for lunch and waited.
I AM DONE.
WITH EVERY GOOD WISH.
JOHN W. BUGLER
PS-Colin Simpson "THE LUSITANIA" 303pp. Publisher is Little Brown and
Company---Boston---Toronto. 1972. A formidable detailed treatment of
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