[Intelforum] Blame it on Intel

[A Grudko]

Re: Blame it on Intel
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  >  The racist Rhodesian regime under Ian Smith had close ties to the
apartheid regime in South Africa and its Bureau of State Security.

  And to the US and Israel, in my personal experience.

  Both regimes had been supported by various racist UK and US Governments to
varying degrees over about 50 years. The US State Department declared the
ANC (now our democratically elected government) a 'Terrorist Organisation'
in the '80s based on the then politics and the insurgent violence of the
liberation groups who wanted to free Africa from the colonialists and their
American supporters.

  British and American Intelligence Officers congratulated themselves on
finding hundreds of protesters in public places that wore T shirts that said
'Americans go home etc' and reported this bogus strafe as intelligence
collection. Having done their 3 minutes of work per day most of these IOs
retired to the nearest bar and imbibed on local brews (*see below re
'imbibing'). I learned a great deal about US policy in Africa on the terrace
of a Tana hotel in the the late 80s from Americans who underestimated the
potency of the local AAA brew.

  >  It should come as no surprise-- even to readers exclusively * imbibing
the "Western press" (including such right-wing propaganda outlets as Soldier
of Fortune) -- that the anti-colonialist and nationalist parties and their
military wings developed their own intelligence and counter-intelligence
agencies in the armed struggles then supported by the Soviet bloc and the
Chinese, and that they coordinated their work and shared intelligence in
Angola, Guinea, Bissau, Namibia, Mozambique, Zimbabwe and South Africa from
the 1960s on, culminating in the defeat of apartheid.

  Correct on the intelligence structures.
  But  apartheid was never defeated. It was negotiated and integrated into a
new dispensation to avoid civil war as ALL parties recognised that the war
alternative was too high a price to pay.

  > The more interesting question begged is the extent of collaboration of
the security services of the newly independent states after liberation:
e.g., the degree to which some international cooperation survived and
transcended national lines of authority, including the recruitment and
penetration of the state security services by their former enemies.

  I don't understand the question, but picking on the co-operation points,
these exist at policy level, as do lower level understandings between
prominent individuals.

  Penetration of the current State body by it's former enemies is highly
unlikely. There is no structure to support anti-state operations because the
big money is now vested in this government and it's 'private' partners.

  Andy Grudko
  Johannesburg, South Africa
  www.grudko.com




  Douglas L. Vaughan, Jr.




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